Organizational Culture Change
For Zappos’ CEO Tony Hsieh, "Holacracy" Is the Right Fit
For Zappos’ CEO Tony Hsieh, "Holacracy" Is the Right Fit
But one of the
most unusual things about Hsieh is how he runs his business. Credited with
taking the company from nearly nothing in 1999 to the multi-billion-dollar
household name it is today, Hsieh has organized Zappos as a holacracy. A quick
Google search will tell you holacracy involves removing power from management
and spreading it across the firm; creating self-organizing teams, and the like.
But how does this play out among real people, within the walls of one of the
most successful internet companies in America?
Remember, Be
Nice to the Shuttle Driver
Hsieh emphasized
the importance of Zappos’ 10 core values, which he called “a formalized
definition of our culture.” According to the company’s website, the values are
to “deliver ‘WOW’ through service; embrace and drive change; create fun and a
little weirdness; be adventurous, creative, and open-minded; pursue growth and
learning; build open and honest relationships with communication; build a
positive team and family spirit; do more with less; be passionate and
determined; be humble”.
Job candidates
are asked interview questions related to each value, according to Hsieh, and
need to achieve “10 out of 10 for us to hire them.” Grant asked if it were true
that it was harder to get a job at Zappos than to get accepted to Stanford.
Hsieh replied, “I think it’s a single digit percentage but I don’t know exactly”.
Another pitfall
that candidates face is if they treat the airport shuttle driver discourteously
on the way to their interview, they will find themselves being sent home again.
“One of our values is to be humble, and another one is about family spirit, so
if they aren’t nice to the shuttle driver… it’s in violation of those values,”
said Hsieh.
“Now that people
know about this though, do you worry that they’re becoming better fakers?”
asked Grant. Hsieh pointed out that hiring is followed by a five-week training
program of answering customer phone calls. “And that’s before they start the
actual job that they were hired for. So we think of it almost as an extended
interview process… It’s pretty hard to fake your way through the entire five
weeks”.
What about
existing employees: How does the company ensure they continue to live up to the
Zappos values? Rather than “the culture police coming after you,” said Hsieh,
employees are expected to monitor their own behavior as well as their
colleagues’. “It’s in our written employee agreement that part of everyone’s
job is to live and inspire the culture in others. It’s not just one person’s
job.
“You can be
fired for core value violations even if your specific job performance is
totally fine,” he continued. “And one employee can call another employee out
for not being in line with our core values. It’s basically an accountability,
like anything else in your job description”.
One way in which
Hsieh himself lives the culture is to help with customer calls during the
holiday season. Like every other employee, he puts in 10 hours of phone time.
“I think it’s always good for every employee to have a more direct connection
with our customers… And it just goes back to team and family spirit, and
getting back to what is our purpose at Zappos”.
Grant questioned
Hsieh on the dangers of hiring largely on
culture fit. He quoted research showing
that culture fit might inadvertently mean (referring to his own appearance),
“Who are the other white, bald dudes that I can go have a beer with?” The risk
is toward too much homogeneity, not only demographically but in expertise and
worldview, he said.
Hsieh responded
that it makes a difference what the company values actually are. He pointed to
Zappos’ “create fun and a little weirdness” value as one of the most important
ones. “Which is our way of saying — it’s a fun way of saying — we want
diversity. So I think those types of things are actually baked into the
values.” He added, “Our belief is, everyone’s a little weird somehow”.
What’s a
Holacracy?
Asked how
holacracy works at Zappos, Hsieh said that many people misunderstand the
concept, thinking it means eliminating all hierarchies within the business. But
as he described it, “instead of being a hierarchy of people, it’s a hierarchy
of purpose”.
He said it
starts with something called the general company circle, the purpose of which
is the same as the business’s purpose statement. Within that circle are
sub-circles and roles. “And then it cascades from there for each sub-circle”.
A key difference
from traditional companies is that an individual can fill multiple roles
throughout the organization. “At Zappos we have about 1,600 employees and about
500 circles in this hierarchy of purpose.” Moreover, anyone can resign from any
role at any time, and are “free to float around.” Only about five people in the
organization have the authority to fire someone. Hsieh contrasts this with
conventional management structure, in which if your direct supervisor decides
you’re not a good fit, you typically leave the company.
He also noted a
difference from the traditional concept of the org chart. “At most companies,
the way I think about it, there’s three different org charts.” He identified
these as the official org chart people are given when they’re hired; the
unofficial one that includes “politics, friendships, and so on,” and the “ideal
org chart that the organization wants to be,” which will help it become more
productive and innovative. “One of the things I really like about holacracy is
that the goal is to actually merge those three, and make the implicit explicit”.
He elaborated,
“It’s not just the CEO or a few senior people saying here’s the new org chart,
but every employee is actually empowered to participate in a governance process
where the org chart at Zappos literally changes probably 50 times a day. And
it’s all updated in real time.” He said he sees these as 50 incremental
improvements toward bringing the company closer to its purpose.
Hsieh also
addressed reports that holacracy doesn’t seem to work for a lot of businesses.
In his view, what people misunderstand is that holacracy is not a pre-packaged
solution but a platform. He compares it to an iPhone that has the latest
operating system but no apps. “So what we’re doing is a lot of experimentation,
which is the hard work of ‘building the apps.’ Some work out great and some don’t,
and we just keep iterating”.
Ultimately, said
Hsieh, holacracy is the only business model that will enable a company to
survive long-term. He stated that of the businesses on the Fortune 500 list
when it was first published in 1955, 88% no longer exist.
“[But] the data
shows that self-organization works,” said Hsieh. He compared a holacratic
organization to a city. “Cities have stood the test of time; they’re
self-organized; the mayor of the city doesn’t actually tell its residents what
to do, where to live. They’re resilient. There are statistics like every time
the size of a city doubles, innovation and productivity increase by 50%”.
Acquiring
Superpowers
Grant asked
Hsieh how, in this environment, Zappos handles issues of promotions, ascensions
and formal leadership roles.
“That’s been a
big area of experimentation for us,” noted Hsieh. “What we are moving toward is
this idea of badging.” He explained that with badging, individuals could earn
various “superpowers” or badges which would represent the potential they bring
to the organization and upon which their compensation would be based. “I want
to have employees clearly move around the organization without having to worry about,
‘is this going to change my comp,’ or ‘is this going to add budget to this
circle”.
Increasingly,
Hsieh wants his employees to demonstrate an entrepreneurial spirit, which he
defines as being comfortable with ambiguity, having a strong sense of curiosity
and having emotional intelligence. He said Zappos is adjusting its hiring and
coaching processes to develop these kinds of individuals rather than “people
[who] want to know, if I do exactly steps one through 10, I’ve done a good job”.
The goal, he said,
is “a much more entrepreneurial culture where you think of those 500 circles
each as its own mini-startup, and think of each employee with self-management
and self-organization like a mini-entrepreneur”.
Grant said, “Let
me just be clear: you want a bunch of entrepreneurs running around ruining your
organization?”
“Um… yes,”
answered Hsieh, to laughter from the audience.
Overall, Hsieh
feels that Zappos’ holacratic approach is often “painted in the press that
we’re doing this radical experiment.” But to him, he said, transitioning to
self-organization and self-management is not a radical experiment but “the
future of work”.
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